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02/22/21 01:12 AM #4418    

 

Richard Smith

Charlotte, great to hear the shots have finally reached our age group. Do you mind sharing your experience getting scheduled for the injection? I called Smiths, because they have signs up at every pharmacy, that leads you to a phone number that leads you to a webpage, that guides you to selecting locations in your State only to find the Utah does not have any inventory yet! Sounds like it's going to be a puzzle to figure out, hope you can help us understand the process you went through.

Thanks


02/22/21 01:23 AM #4419    

 

Richard Smith

Ken, the same type of guns for drugs for guns was the motivation for the Iran Contr affair. Turns out that Oliver was the puppet for the exchange of weapons to free our American hostages. Bill Clinton, not yet the governor of Arkansas, was running a hugh cocaine operation in Arkansas before and into his governorship. The cocaine profits were used to provide the money for the purchase of the weapons that were traded for the release of the hostages. The actual release was agreed to happen after Carter lost the election so it would give political points to Ronald Reagan. Many people, even two young boys that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, were murdered to hide the Clinton drug cartel. Clinton was promised he would be President of the US for his part in the secret CIA deal to free the hostages.


02/22/21 09:19 AM #4420    

 

Jerald DeGraw

Not many would believe Me...indeed They would laugh, if I said ANYTHING about the Clintons and MANY of Their friends (Obama being the WORST), concerning 9-11, the Murder of India-ns, The Drug Cartel, the organized MURDER of Our Ambassadors...never mind, this is doing NO good and I'm almost done donning My clown costume, Sooo....I think I will change identities from Bozo to Clarabell - shutting My mouth but tooting My horn (which is what I do best) :-)

        --- Howdy Doody


02/22/21 09:49 AM #4421    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

Richard, and others, I had very little trouble getting my vaccination appointment. I didn't bother going through the pharmacies because their supplies are much more limited. I went here: https://slco.org/health/COVID-19/vaccine/seniors/    as soon as appointments were available. I was given a choice of 3 places to go: The Maverick Center (which is drive  through) Mountain America Center (formerly South Towne) and the Salt Palace. I tried for the Maverick Center first but it was full. So then I went for the Salt Palace. Then you will need to fill out their form which will give you a tiny bit of grief if you don't do everything exactly as they want it. By the way, I was told that your wait times may be longer at the Maverick Center because it just moves slower.

After that it was a piece of cake. The underground parking at the Salt Palace is free. They have plenty of people to guide you where to go. When I went yesterday it was not crowded at all but that was the only Sunday they are going to do. The only waiting I had to do was the required 15 minutes after the shot but I spent that time filling out the online form for my second shot.

Get your vaccinations everybody! Let's get this virus under control!


02/22/21 09:58 AM #4422    

 

Gerd Eysser

Ken, the only corporations and people that support your view of the CCP seem to be those who profit from buying from or selling to China.  Cheap labor and huge profits    That's capitalism but that doesn't change the goal of global geopolitical dominance.   


02/22/21 11:08 AM #4423    

 

Ken Hollen

Hey Rich, there was no trade for hostages.  Amazing how this propaganda gets spread around.  I doubt you would believe me, so here is Ronald Reagan explicitly stating there was not a trade of guns for hostages.  By the way Freedom of Speech should always be honored.  Spreading BS propaganda should be against the law. That's just my "opinion".   https://youtu.be/rYdvBZxPhLY


02/22/21 11:19 AM #4424    

 

Jim Priskos

Char, thanks for the info. I am fine with all of the back and forth above, the various views are interesting, except for Dale's labelling of people (Right Wingers) with different views and Ken's condescending comments like the Rich and Jerry show. Really fellows, you can't help but put someone down. Lift yourselves up from that.


02/23/21 12:01 PM #4425    

 

Dale Charlie Salazar

Excuse me Jim but it was in deference to you that I stopped posting my views on this site after you accused us of turning it into a political shit-show.  I guess it's okay now for me to share my political views without putting poeple down.  In my mind I didn't put anybody down, all three of these guys have made it clear what their views are and they are proud of it.  I don't disagree with these folks and thier views on China.  The fear of China and world domination goes back to Chiang Kai Sheck promisising to march seven men abreast at us from now until eternity.  This after less than 50 years of freedom from domination by European colonizers after the Boxer Rebellion.  I assume our fear of China explains why our military has been garrisoned around China since WWII.

Throughout history attempts at world domination have failed for different reasons but the British came nearest during the 17th Centrury when the sun never set on British terrotory.  

Coming back to the present I'm curious why nobody is paying attention to Russia trying to recreate the old Soviet Block.


02/23/21 04:10 PM #4426    

 

Ken Hollen

 

 

Gerd, there are many small businesses in Utah selling to the Chinese and buying from them.  It is silly to think that only large corporations benefit from a relationship with China.  One thing, let's face it, you do not leave money laying around because someone is going to take it.  Yes, China will take advantage of what is laying around.  They will look for it and pay for it.  Now let's get real.  The USA will do exactly the same thing.  There are crooks everywhere.  It doesn't help that the USA vigilance is so poor as demonstrated by the recent, and major hack by Russia. My only point for all of this is, when you or I say another country is bad, this is like the pot calling the kettle black.  It is pointless.

I did get my vaccine at the Salt Palace the other day.  The whole process was a breeze.  My only complaint was the rinky-dink vaccination card I receive that I will be expected to use for international travel.  I would have been willing to pay for something that looks official than something I could make in my computer.

 

 


02/23/21 07:23 PM #4427    

 

Richard Smith

Ken. The whole Iran hostage situation involving Oliver North is very well documented and did happen, perhaps your referring to something else.

02/24/21 01:27 AM #4428    

 

Richard Smith

Thanks Charlotte, I got my appointment and kind of looking forward to getting it out of the way.

 

Thanks Jim for your comments, I agree that the judging and arrogance is unnecessary for any open and productive exchange.

RBS


02/24/21 04:29 AM #4429    

 

Richard Smith

Gerd, I must admit that I am very concerned about China and their specific goals in the world. It has been recognized that China is agressively seeking more power and authority in world politics and is well on it's way. While most of the world has been sleeping and not paying attention, China has carefully gained almost 100% control of the distribution of medical supplies and medications. We saw, with the Covid 19 emergency that China was 95% in control of masks and other necessary supplies and until different governments started calling foul, they withheld many necessary supplies requested to fight Covid. Another revelation was that it has been outed that China has been making substantial purchases of ships, contracts and other necessary items to be in 100% control of ALL worldwide shipping. That means they control almost all of the Greek and Turkey shipping companies. Greece and Turkey are the world's largest shipping and cargo transporters. It turns out that China companies have won contracts for controlling all of our Eastern and Western sea ports.

A deeper search will reveal that China's CCP is a student of an ancient Chinese general's book about defeating your enemy, The Art of War. They are applying the lessons learned worldwide.

It's not difficult to determine the character of a government, just measure their actions. Through the actions of the China CCP it is easy to know who they are. Generally any government will treat their own citizens in the worst possible of ways and China is no exception.

Countries bordering the China Sea are not strangers to China's dumping of dirt, cement, and anything available in many select areas in the China Sea. Of course they say that they are only developing more land areas in the China Sea and have no intention to militarize them, whoops they must have forgot that part because each of the manmade islands are being militarized and they have begun to tell other countries with China Sea coastlines that they need to ask for permission to use the China Sea areas and to stop fishing in the China Sea.

The most recent illegal activities ordered by the CCP is the fishing in areas that are well within other countries coastal waters. The US has had to bring in their big war ships to police the area and protect the rights of Japan and other countries to fish in their legal coastal areas.

The Chinese people are watched 24/7 with over 200 million surveillance cameras spread out everywhere and family and friends are encouraged to report anything that doesn't fit the governments approved actions and activities. The cameras are based on a 500 megapixel format. The citizens of China are measured on a scale wherein they accumulate or lose points. If you don't smile, you look angry, or any number of other visual actions, including how you walk, is measured by the camera software and you could literally have your access to your bank account, access to your home, access to your job or school, taken away based on the points you have in the system. Incidently, I don't remember exactly who but the software program was designed by one of the Twitter, Google or Facebook CEOs. The list of religious organizations that China persecutes is long and by just saying any and all would pretty much cover those they inflict much pain and suffering on. I remember reading about the horrific ways the Chinese have tried to destroy the Tibetan people, even trying to assasinate the Tibetan Dali Lama. When a Dali Lama gets old and close to death, a new Dali Lama is born and sought after by special emissary teams that search for and then validate the child to see if he is the reborn former Dali Lama. China found the young "new" Dali Lama and arrested him and put him in hiding many years ago.

The most egregious actions of China is the way they treat their own citizens. Thye use forced sterilization, forced IUD, and even rape of China citizens that are affiliated with any religion. Currently they are sterilizing and raping Muslim women. The primary ways of retraining and/or destroying ethnic heritage is through forced sterilizaton or forced IUD, rape, reeducation programs, forced labor camps. Many who believe in God suffer horrendous consequences like the above and also forced abortions, and infanticide. So many become victims of organ transplants and sometimes the children are taken and put in homes that are of different ethnic background. There isn't anyone that couldn't fall victim to any of the above. Inspite of all the China CCP efforts to stamp out religion, the Christian religion is growing very fast underground.

I don't know how many remember but there was a "human body" exhibit in Salt Lake City at the downtown library, a few years back. It had a dozen or so bodies of people, some with artificial joints and or some other medical device. We thought it was educational and even took younger members of our family to see the exhibit. I remember feeling odd about viewing the bodies and body parts but was surprised by the obvious ethnic similarity of the specimens. I thought it strange and did some research about the bodies and where they came from. There wasn't any definitive information available but it was certain they came from China. Others had already started an effort to determine just who's bodies they had been. The information was very guarded but as more information became available, it was most likely that the bodies had been political enemies of China that had died in prison and then also came the response that some could very well have been Falun Gong worshipers imprisoned for not denying their faith. It had already been revealed that many prisoners and especially Falun Gong members were the primary source for China's burgeoning and profitable organ harvesting.

There is a lot more to the China story that meets the eye. I agree with Trump that it is best to keep our enmies close; China, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, and Russia are neighbors the prophets have been advised to pray for. I think we are going to see some major changes in America and other governments in the next 30 or so days. RBS


02/24/21 12:45 PM #4430    

 

Jerald DeGraw

Hi Good Folks, Clarabelle here. We are all just Humans (duh...) and just a bunch of Old Dorks, really...it is easy to get offended and hurt, but I REALLY don't believe that any of Us actually want to hurt each other (well, yeah, sometimes, but only if We really get angry), but I know that if ANY of Us saw ANY of Us in a dangerous, or whatever, situation, We WOULD go to their rescue, with NO thought of Politics, religion, China or whatever. I enjoy reading EVERYONE's post...I usually learn SOMETHING from everyone, and I ACTUALLY would rather read something I don't agree with,, or even be severely critisized than not hearing from Them at all...keeping up the associations, especially for anyone who is Depressed, Lonely, Sad, Scared, Mis-understood...WHATEVER, has Good Value in and of Itself and I wish More and More and MORE Cubbies would, or Could join in. To prove that I'm the biggest Dork of all (as if there were any doubt), here is My latest Diesel Dorkmobile :-)

PS - I could EASILY list, one by one, something I have learned from EACH of Your Posts, but since Richard's is the last one I read, I MUST say that EVERYTHING He submitted in it is True and Accurate (again, Some are welcome to disagree, of Course) :-)

 


02/24/21 01:06 PM #4431    

 

Colleen Strand (Hansen)

Dear Jer Bear!! You are the best kind of dork and I enjoy reading all your  posts! Everyone's opinion is of value and I enjoy reading them all....don't stop!


02/24/21 05:39 PM #4432    

 

Gerd Eysser

Ken, my problem with companies supporting the CCP is that they are using our financial help to build their geopolitical empire.  Russia isn't even close..........at all.

But that will never change as long as our bureaucrats defend China.  For example, during the recent town hall, without a teleprompter, the president excused China's concentration camp confinement and torture of Uyghurs largely as a matter of having 'different norms'.  WTH is he talking about?  I think everyone outside of totalitarian countries would consider it genocide.  

Nike, Apple and the NBA are enabling their behavior while they stash billions in the bank and kids kill kids over athletic shoes and by their silence condone their behavior for the 'buck'.  The reason most people haven't heard of the Hyghurs is because the MSM doesn't want to participate in the reporting of the CCP behavior for fear of making the Chinese angry (remember the GM of the Houston Rockets and the NBA).   

Whew.......that felt good to get off my chest.  :)


02/24/21 06:20 PM #4433    

 

Jerald DeGraw

Thank You, DEARLY, Colleen! winkI can see I should have asked You on a date, in those good old days, but I never asked ANYONE out...I was/am like Marty...afraid I would be turned down :-( (don't let Steve see this:-)


02/25/21 09:37 AM #4434    

 

Paul Michelsen

There must be a reason why there is a memo for our page... 

So, I am  taking R.B.Smith. addvice. if you don't like reading it. 

Don't read it.

Cheers

 




02/25/21 11:03 AM #4435    

 

Jim Priskos

Dear cubs, I made a statement to a couple of contributors regarding labelling. I think sharing our opinions is important, more now than ever, since there is an abundance of disrespect for people with ideas that may be unpopular to others. We are all Americans with goals and desires and thankfully, opinions. The reason for my previous comment was that we should respect for each others with out assigning names. Each person that takes the time to be on the site deserves that. I really don't care if political statements are made or not. We still have the ability to just not read what we don't want to. Moving forward, let's just hope and pray( for those of tus that do,) that we can actually have the 50+ reunion this coming summer.


02/25/21 03:28 PM #4436    

 

Ken Hollen

Thanks, Jim.  You are right.  My sincere apologies.  I do have a greater respect for the truth.  It has become a habit, in today's world, to repeat anything and everything some one hears as if it is the Truth.  That isn't "opinion", it is nonsense.  Without rebuttal, these unsubstantiated concoctions become accepted as truth.  Old wive's tales never die, no matter how often you prove them wrong. Yes, we can turn a blind eye to this nonsense, but if we know better, doesn't that make us accomplices to the lie?  I miss the good old days when there was a degree of "political correctness" so those with the nonsense would keep it to themselves.  Being condescending is a bad habit I have.  It is my only way to counter the nonsense.  In the future, I will keep it to myself.


02/25/21 07:51 PM #4437    

 

Jerald DeGraw

GOOD Posts...heartwarming :-)


02/25/21 08:15 PM #4438    

 

Jerald DeGraw

Colleen, I can see I should have asked You on a date, in those good old days, but I never asked ANYONE out...I was/am like Marty...afraid I would be turned down (Instant Rejection) :-( (don't let Steve see this:-) I'm in enough trouble if You, or anyone else has read all of My posts...SO...I may as well cross the line, since You are so kind smiley

            -- McFly


02/26/21 03:09 AM #4439    

 

Richard Smith

I think I'm liking all of us a lot more than I did before and I've always been fond of my South High brave, independent, and trail blazing men and women. As I stated in my Classmate Profile, You guys have always meant the world to me. Have a great spring.


02/26/21 11:35 AM #4440    

 

Jerald DeGraw

BRAVO! HEAR, HEAR!!!:-)

     ---Still Marty McBozo...er, I mean Clarabelle (Honk Honk)


02/26/21 01:16 PM #4441    

 

Allen Gehrke

This may only be meaningful to a group of guys that grew up around municipal park.  David Disorbio passed away.   I do not have any information other than he has passed.   For those of you that knew Dave I thought you would like to know if did not know.  I have lots of memories of Dave his help with baseball and the jokes and peaks he would pull like turning on the sprinklers while we were sleeping out at muni.   He was a good man.  


02/26/21 03:00 PM #4442    

 

Colleen Strand (Hansen)

Awww...shucks Jerry, you are making me blush! I would have loved to go out with you(don't tell the wife) I love people who make me laugh and can always see the lighter side of life, especially now;)  Take care my cubby friend!

 

 


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