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09/27/16 07:08 PM #3093    

 

Jeff Chivers

Medicare? ME???   Part IV

Prescription Drug Coverage – the Medicare “Wild Card”

In my former posts, I’ve provided a general overview of Medicare and its various parts:

  • Part “A” – medically necessary hospital, skilled nursing facility, home health, and hospice care
  • Part “B” – medically necessary doctors’ services, preventive care, durable medical equipment, hospital outpatient services, laboratory tests, x-rays, mental health care, and some home health and ambulance services
  • Part “D” – outpatient prescription drug coverage

Various approaches to Medicare utilization (advantages, disadvantages, costs etc):

  • Remaining on original Medicare only (Parts A, B & D)
  • Remaining on original Medicare (Parts A., B & D) supplemented by enrolling in a Medicare Supplement (Medigap) Plan offered by private insurance companies designed to cover the “gaps” in original Medicare (deductibles co-pays and exclusions)
  • Enrolling in Medicare Part “C” – Medicare Advantage Plans; with Parts A, B and D are combined in a single plan, also offered and managed by a private insurance companies   

The focus of this post will be a closer look at Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage.  As you will see, Part D can indeed be a “wild card” having substantial impact on your overall Medicare costs.

When to enroll

You should sign up for Medicare Part D no later than the date your Part B becomes effective. 

Don’t delay even if you do not take any prescription drugs regularly right now. If you wait until later to sign up, you will be charged extra on your premium for every month that you waited.  The amount of that premium penalty changes every year. In 2016, you would be charged one percent of $34.10 (the national average of the cost of plans) for every month you are late in starting your Part D. So if you waited to enroll for two years past when you should have enrolled in a Part D plan, the extra charge would be 24 percent of $34.10, or about $8.20 extra per month – for as long as you live!! The only way to avoid this late enrollment penalty is having equivalent drug coverage, called "creditable" coverage from another source, such as VA benefits or a group/retiree plan that includes drug coverage. Speak with your plan administrator who’ll be able to tell you whether your plan’s coverage is creditable.

What you will pay for a Part D Plan

As I mentioned, the national average Part D plan costs about $34 a month but prices can vary - as low as $18 a month to over $70 a month.  Plan participants with higher incomes (over $85,000 for a single individuals or $170,000 for those filing joint returns) may be subject to higher Part D premium costs. Generally, plans with lower premiums will be less expensive overall for those whose prescriptions consist of low-cost “generic” drugs while plans with higher premiums will generally be more cost-effective when utilized for the purchase of more expensive medications including brand named drugs. 

In 2016 the maximum allowable deductible for Part D plan coverage is $360, though many plans have lower or even no deductibles. Different plans also charge varying amounts for the same prescriptions – sometimes charging a flat-dollar amount and sometimes a percentage of the cost of the prescription (co-insurance).  Most plans sort drugs into "tiers," with drugs in the lower tiers costing less.

The three coverages phases of Part D

You can think of your Part D "coverage year" as divided into three phases that come in order.

Phase 1: Initial coverage

In 2016 you will pay an average of 25 percent of the costs of your medications until you and Medicare together have spent $3,310. But that's only an average. Your personal share of expenses might be different depending on whether your plan has a deductible, how many drugs you take, and how much your drugs cost. If you don't take a lot of costly drugs, you probably will never get out of this first phase.

Phase 2: The dreaded “Donut hole”

When you and your Part D plan together have spent $3,310 on your drugs, you will enter this phase, also called the "coverage gap."  While in the donut hole, you will have to pay a larger share of your drug costs. In 2016 you will pay 45 percent of the cost of your brand-name drugs and 58 percent of the cost of generics.

One part of the Affordable Care Act created a schedule for closing the donut hole. It is about half-closed now and will be completely eliminated as of 2020. Afterward there will be only two coverage phases in a year.

Phase 3: Catastrophic coverage

After your out-of-pocket drug cost totals $4,850 the year, you exit the donut hole and enter the Catastrophic coverage phase. In this phase you will pay a copayment of the higher of 5% or $2.95 co-pay for generics (including brand drugs treated as generics) and a $7.40 copayment for all other drugs through the end of the year, then the phase 1-3 cycle begins again on January 1.

(Note:  Regardless of whether a person gets their Part D drug coverage by enrolling in Medicare Advantage Plan that includes Part D coverage enrolling in a separate prescription drug plan, they are subject to the plan phases and costs as outlined above. It is my experience that overall Part D costs will be close to the same whether enrolling coverage through a Medicare Advantage Plan or separate Part D drug plan.)

Part D coverage - the bottom line

As is evident from the above, your overall Medicare costs can be greatly impacted by your need for prescription drugs and plan you select.  With numerous plans available, each with varying premium costs, deductibles, drug formularies, tier structures etc., your overall costs for the same prescriptions may vary by hundreds or even thousands of dollars per year, depending upon the Part D plan you select.

Before you enroll in a prescription drug plan (either through a Medicare Advantage or a separate prescription drug plan) it is imperative that you have a Medicare professional run an analysis of your medications to determine which of the available plans will be most cost-effective for your situation.  Also, as your medications change and individual plan coverages and Medicare regulations change from year-to-year, it’s vital to run this analysis annually during the Medicare Open Enrollment to be sure your plan coverage is optimized for the coming year.   

Let me know if you have questions.  I would be pleased to run a prescription drug analysis for you and/or assist in any way to help you make the most of your Medicare plan coverage and benefits.

Jeff Chivers    801-712-8448     jfchivers@hotmail.com

 


09/28/16 06:46 PM #3094    

 

Ken Hollen

 

Jeff,

If I sign up initially with just Part A and later add coverages, are there any penalties?

Thanks,

Ken 

 

 

 


09/28/16 09:22 PM #3095    

 

Jeff Chivers

Ken, 

Below is a link that does a pretty good job explaining the various Medicare late enrollment penalties:

 

https://www.mymedicarematters.org/enrollment/penalties-and-risks/

 

Let me know if you have questions or would like to discuss the particulars of your situation.

Jeff     

801-712-8448

jfchivers@hotmail.com


10/03/16 11:11 PM #3096    

 

Paul Michelsen

 

Southeast Theater

 

2121 South 1100 East,
 Salt Lake City, UT 84106

Southeast Theater

Viewing: Photo | Street View

The Southeast Theater opened December 25, 1936, and was run by Fox Intermountain Theaters. The Southeast Theater was located in the southeast district of Sugarhouse, next to the Sprague Branch library.

Like many small town theaters, the theater was actually dozens of feet from its street entrance and was reached by a long hallway. Additionally, the auditorium was positioned at an angle, apparently following the odd property line of the adjacent library.

The theater closed, probably in the 1970’s, and was converted into retail. In the late-1990’s it was demolished to make way for a new retail development on the block.

 

Do you remember ?


10/03/16 11:22 PM #3097    

 

Paul Michelsen

Sprague







 

 

The Sprague Branch's high-gabled English Tudor style building has served the Sugar House community for three generations. The building was selected by the American Library Association in 1935 as the "Most Beautiful Branch Library in America." The two-level facility was opened in 1928 and has been renovated several times as use continues to increase. An expansion project to add a new public meeting room and remodel the building was completed in April 2001, which increased the square footage to 9,700. As the Sugar House shopping district sprouted up, the Sprague Branch continues to hold its historical charm and provide community members with outstanding public library services. Free parking is available to the east and south of the building, and XMission provides free wi-fi access throughout the library.

I wonder if the Sprague Branch still has that smell of old floor wax ? Sometime this Fall. I'll stop in and check it out... I wonder if I can find my old library card with the metal clip attached to it? Books, what great idea.


10/04/16 02:03 PM #3098    

 

Randall Petersen

Paul,

Thanks for the trip down Sugarhouse memory lane regarding the Sprague Branch Library and the Southeast Theater.  Of course, the library is still there and functioning.  My wife spends time there often.  

I remember the Southeast Theater having free movies on Saturday morning for the kids.  There was an age limit and I am thinking that if you were in junior high school you were too old.  It was fun walking with friends to the theater on Saturday morning for the movie.  Yes, walking.  Mom didn't drive you everywhere in those days. Remember that novel idea?  Tickets were required to get in.  I am trying to remember how the tickets were distributed because they were not given out at the theater - we already had them when we arrived.  I think they were handed out at school.  (For me and a few others of you that was Forest Elementary School.)  OK, someone help fill in the memory gap here regarding ticket distribution.  It ended up as a fun and safe Saturday morning with your neighborhood friends and a good movie.


10/05/16 09:55 AM #3099    

Woody Hendrickson

Randall,

We used to get in free with bottle caps from milk bottles. Went there many times in the late 50's early 60's. Mostly watched cartoons, 3 Stooges, Laurel and Hardy. Old time memories!!!!

 


10/07/16 07:46 PM #3100    

 

Randall Petersen

Woody,

I remember others talking about using bottle caps from milk bottles for things but I never experienced it.  I remember the ticket for the Saturday morning movies at the Southeast Theater being about 3 X 5 inches in size, on colored card stock paper, preprinted with the theater logo, the date the ticket was good and the name of the movie that was planned to be shown.  Like I said, I think they were handed out at the grade school. Of course, all of that is more that 50 years ago and the memory on trivial items such as this is a bit foggy.  Actually, the memory on a few more important things is a bit foggy, too.


10/08/16 10:36 AM #3101    

 

Richard H Blair

My Dad and Mom were divorced so my Dad would pick me up and then drop me off at the theater so he could be with his girlfriend, watched a lot of good shows and cartoons, and Easter egg hunts


10/08/16 12:30 PM #3102    

 

Paul Michelsen

Randall,

I remember the Yellow 3X5 cards. That a Forest Elementary School teacher would give me on Friday's. She would always give me two tickets. I would ask Ruth Darlington if she wants to go with me. "The Big Kids" did not want us "Little Kids" dragging along with them on a Saturday. I guess, that was my first dating experience and did not even know it until years later. I will never forget us all dress up for the show.

 


10/21/16 12:37 PM #3103    

 

Sue Kelson (Butcher)

Jeff,

Just curious at this time because I still have a bit before I have to think seriously about Medicare but is it true that if you originally sign up for a Medicare Supplement plan/ Medicap plan you can NEVER, even during an open enrollment period, switch to a Medicare Advantage plan?  Or visa-versa? 


10/22/16 02:31 PM #3104    

 

Jeff Chivers

Good questions,  Sue. 

To put my response in context, let's first take a step back and review your opportunities and obligation to enroll in Medicare.  

Three months before the month you turn 65 you enter what's called your Medicare Initial Enrollment Period (IEP) which includes the three months before you turn 65, the month you turn 65 and three months thereafter. This is the window in which you are required to enroll in Medicare. If you don't, there are penalties.  There is an exception to this mandate, however, in that when you turn 65 if you are still covered by what is termed "creditable" group insurance (generally through yours or your spouses employer) to are allowed to remain on that plan and defer your full Medicare enrollment. In this situation, most employers prefer that you still enroll in Part A (which generally doesn't cost you anything) so they can coordinate your group coverage with this "hospital" coverage of Medicare.  Then three months before you come off group coverage, you complete your Medicare enrollment during this period  known as your Initial Coverage Election Period (ICEP).  

Complicated and confusing, I know . . . but after all, we are dealing with the government!!

With that out of the way, now to your question regarding your rights/ability to enroll in Medicare Advantage and Medigap (Medicare Supplement) plans.

Advantage Plans

You are allowed to enroll in a Medicare Advantage Plan enrollment anytime during your IEP or ICEP (as defined above) or during the Medicare Annual Enrollment Period AEP) which runs from October 15 through December 7 each year.  During AEP you can also drop your Medigap plan and/or separate prescription drug plan and enroll into a Medicare Advantage plan or change from one Advantage plan to another that is available in your geographic area; or drop you Medicare Advantage plan altogether and return to original Medicare.

Medigap Plans

The best time to enroll in a Medigap plan is during your Medigap "Open Enrollment Period" which extends 6 months from the time your Part B becomes effective.  During that time you have the right to purchase any Medigap plan available in your area regardless of your health or medical condition, including serious chronic illness, pending surgery, etc. Once you have obtained a Medigap policy, you cannot be dropped or rated-up because of any change in your health. You can obtain a Medigap policy after your Medigap OEP, but only if you are healthy enough to pass stringent medical underwriting - wherein you will likely be declined for most chronic conditions, if you have recently spent time in the hospital or have any pending surgeries, etc.

You cannot have a Medicare Advantage plan and Medigap plan simultaneously. Therefore, if you want to move from a Medicare Advantage Plan to a Medigap plan, you will first have to drop your Advantage plan coverage, which you can only do during the AEP or during the Medicare Annual Disenrollment Period (MADP) which runs from Jan 1 through Feb 14 of each year.  Once back on oriiginal Medicare, you can then enroll in a Medigap plan, Having dropped your Advantage plan, which normally includes Part D prescription drug coveage, you will also need to enroll in a separate prescription drug plan.  

You can cancel a Medigap policy at any time, leaving you back on original Medicare only, If you want to cancel your Medigap plan and enroll in a Medicare Advantage Plan, the best to do so is during the Annual Enrollment Period (cancelling your Medigap coverage effective December 31 as your Medicare Advantage plan coverage wouldn't start until January 1).  As long as you are healthy and can pass medical underwriting, you can change from one Medigap plan to another  (i.e. from Humana to a plan offered by United Healthcare, Aetna etc.) at any time of the year.  Be careful in doing so, however, that your new plan is approved and effective before you cancel your existing plan just in case you do not pass medical underwriting and not be approved for the new plan - and then not able to get back on your cancelled plan!! 

Sorry for the long-winded explanation, but Medicare regs are very complex and in most cases there are no simple answers. Please also know there are some exceptions to what I've covered above.

I'll be happy to answer additional questions or assist our class members (and others, spouses etc.) with their Medicare enrollment process.  Also, with the upcoming Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) open enrollment commencing November 1, I'm also available to help those under age 65 with any questions or enrollments in that arena as well. 

Jeff Chivers

801-712-8448

jfchivers@hotmail.com

 


10/27/16 12:26 PM #3105    

 

Paul Michelsen

I stopped by The Sprague Branch's in SugarHouse last week on the motorcycle. 

A little different than I remember. Yet, still the same... Turn Turn Turn




10/27/16 10:14 PM #3106    

 

Jerald DeGraw

Sounds SWELL, Paul !  So, You were pretty close to Millie's - Our weekly hang-out :-)  Well, guess I'm going to get a bit serious (but ONLY a bit), and go back to read Chiver's Senior's Strategies 101...moving from the Motorhome to the new home ( Farmhouse...? ) in Erda, Tomorrow, so Jeffology may need to wait a few days (or weeks)...got to figure out how to make The Kubota work, instead of Me :-)

 

---Ol' McDeGrawski

PS - got a couple of bikes sitting in the geerage, waiting for a place to explore...aye ?


10/28/16 01:30 PM #3107    

 

Colleen Strand (Hansen)

All of these stories of libraries and movie theaters from the past leads me to believe you East side cubbies lead and idyllic childhood!  Poor West side cubbies just had a library on wheels called the bookmobile and for movies we would have to gather at someone's house and sit close to a sheet that had been hung on a clothesline and make shadow puppets for our entertainment😜


11/04/16 10:37 PM #3108    

 

Paul Michelsen

It could happen...




11/06/16 08:25 PM #3109    

 

Linda Larsen (White)

Colleen,

I'm surprised you don't remember the half-price Saturday and Sunday matinees at the Arcade Theatre.  I often went there with my cousin and brothers.  The Chapman Branch library still stands and is fully operational, as well as the Harold B. Lee hall, which is another West side icon with great memories of basketball and volleyball competitions. Jordan Park swimming pool, where many cubbies hung out, The International Peace Gardens, and the ball diamond in Jordan Park where many a softball tournament was played and 'Gus Gold's - snow cones were the biggest hit of the games!  Ooh!  Too much nostalgia!  Fun memories though, and still a true blue west-sider.


11/07/16 09:16 AM #3110    

 

Patty Wall (Woodland)

Those are all wonderful memories for this girl!


11/07/16 12:51 PM #3111    

 

Sue Kelson (Butcher)

Linda,

I definately remember th Arcade and the Chapman Branch Library.  Now there's a library, sooooooo quiet you could hear a pin drop.  We ALWAYS went to the Arcade on Thanksgiving after dinner.  It's nice to take a walk down memory lane.

 


11/07/16 12:53 PM #3112    

 

Colleen Strand (Hansen)

Yay!!! Thanks for responding Linda And Patti😉Of course I remember the Arcade.....was just trying to poke a little fun at the other comments😉  I saw the Ten Commandments 3 times at that theatre!! And good ol Chapman Branch....that building seemed really old to me, even as a kid. 


11/07/16 02:48 PM #3113    

 

Jeff Chivers

I remember the manager at the Arcade  - a heavy-set middle-aged guy with slicked-back black hair - always wearing black suit, white shirt and narrow black tie.  The tickets were 75 cents for admission and the candy bars that were 5 cents at the store were sold for the ungodly price of 10 cents, with popcorn or drinks also overpriced at 10 cents.   A dollar would just about cover a Friday evening's activities for us Jr High boys with erupting hormones that were there with high hopes of picking up girls from Jordan Jr. -  who always looked pretty good 'till the house lights came up after the show!!  


11/08/16 11:33 AM #3114    

 

Colleen Strand (Hansen)

Ha ha ha!! Great memories, Jeff 😉

 


11/08/16 11:40 AM #3115    

 

Frank Milner

Ok you guys, now we are talking about good memories.  I lived in the Cannon 7th Ward with Lynn Desmond, Randy Stevenson, Patty Horocks,  Susan Dunlop (who I fell in love with in the First Grade, Mrs Johnsons class at Riley Elementary).  We were the unique kids that lived between Glendale, and the Freeway and the Tracks.  Jordan Park was in our Ward.  Durring the Summer we lived there.  Peace Gardens, Bowery's, and the Pool.  We would go three or 4 times to the pool during the day and then climb the fence at midnight on our sleep outs for a midnight swim.  I lived on Montaque Avenue which was the first street south of the 9th street tracks between the then 7th and 8th west.  What a magical place for a Kid!  The Arcade and Chapman Branch were our favorite haunts.  Getting your very own Library Card was like getting a drivers license!  I do think the Library was haunted, especially in the basement.  Wouldn't it be fun to go back to 1962 for just a week!  Where were you in 62.  My first name John and Last Milner puts me right smack in the middle of American Graffetti.

Keep the memories comming, and Jeff in Elementary the admission price at the Arcade was 25 cents.

Oh, I  almost forgot the Artic Circle on 8th west and 8th south. Cokes and fries were 10 cents and hamburgers were15. See you back in time!

Frank

 

 


11/09/16 02:56 AM #3116    

 

Jeff Chivers

A few more memories growing up in the Glendale neighborhood:

  • The Jordan Park swimming pool - 12:00 noon Girl's Plunge; 1:00 Boy's Plunge and 2:00pm Open Plunge; waiting at the big wooden doors on the east side of the pool building to be let in - boys to the left, girls to the right, into the musty, dank dressing room th take off your shirt and shoes, and put your belongings and towel in the wire basket and taking it to the counter to be checked - removing the numbered safety pin off the basket, pinning it to your suit - a superficial cold shower and foot rinse then and racing out to the pool - being yelled at by the lifeguard not to run. . . doing a "cannon ball", "can opener" or "preacher" off the stiff, burlap covered diving board into the c-c-c-c-cold, clear, chlorine-smelling blue water.  Playing "keep away" with a tennis ball. . . .
  • A pick-up game of "over the line" or "home run derby" at the Jordan Park ball diamond.
  • A walk down the 9th South railroad tracks- putting pennies or nails on the tracks and marveling at the how evenly they were smashed and elongated by the passing yellow California Zephyr as it raced by. As the train approached, slipping beneath the Jordan River railroad bridge and (with a combination of fear and excitement) looking up through the rail ties at the massive train as it roared by above - the pylons creaking and vibrating as if the bridge were about to collapse!!
  • Bow hunting for pheasants in the big fields between 21st and 17th South (I think Jody Hilton even skimmed one with his arrow, as I remenber). 
  • Sleep outs, door knocking, flaming arrows at midnight (ask Jody) etc.etc.
  • Loading a few dusty pop bottles into a my Radio Flyer wagon and pulling it over to the OP Skaggs grocery store to turn them in for the deposit (3 cents for a small or 5 cents for a large bottle) and get Nehi, Squirt, Orange Crush, Dad's Root Beer or a pack of Sugar Babies, a Big Hunk or chocolate Dunford donut. 

As Frank said, what a great place to grow up!!


11/09/16 09:23 AM #3117    

 

Patty Wall (Woodland)

I am surprised that you did not mention 4th of July in Jordon Park.  I loved all the food and ride booths and the afternoon water fights. Maybe I am crazy but having fireworks in my almost back yard was awesome too.

I cannot believe that we loved the same places and pretty much lived the same childhood Frank and Jeff!  All except hunting the pheasants.

I got grounded about once growing up and it was for going to the railroad tracks, carefully placing some pennies on the rails and crawling under the bridge to wait for a train to flatten them. My dad was angery. I, took my punishment like a trooper because I was thrilled to have a flat penny.  I must have got the idea from some class mates.  

My mom would drop us off at the library and let us pick out books and then we would walk home. Sometimes we stopped at the drive in for fries on the way home. We would cut through Jordan Park on our way home from the library. It helped me to love the school libraies too! I spent much of my free time at South just hanging out in the library.

Do you remember that sometimes the arcade had tickets for 10 cents?  On Saturdays I think. You are spot on when remembering  the prices of pop and candy bars and we would bug the nieghbors for pop bottles. At our house we would return the bottles so we could afford a pop or candy bar for ourselves. Loved OP Skaggs!

I lived in the Jordon Park pool. I, however, remember that there was a nonswimmers plung at noon so we went home for lunch after swimming lessons and then back for some afternoon fun.  Jumping in the pool was so cold.  We got out fast and somehow our bodies were OK with the second jump into the, turn your eyes red due to clorine, water.  Linda Larsen and I would lay our towels out on the grassy hill on the south side of the pool to soak in the rays before we cut through the park and behind the ball diamond to cross that once upon a time very scary river bridge.

I was in the 6th ward so these things were close to me too.  I often wished it had been the same for my kids, but, alas, we live 20 miles from a very small town.  Funny thing is they think their childhood was great too.

 


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