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10/09/20 12:12 PM #4218    

 

Gerd Eysser

Then again, it may be political …     "I just think COVID is God's gift to the left," Fonda continued. "That's a terrible thing to say. I think it was a very difficult thing to send down to us, but it has ripped the Band-Aid off who [Trump] is and what he stands for and what is being done to average people and working people in this country."

 

 


10/09/20 12:15 PM #4219    

 

Richard H Blair

and it's started


10/09/20 12:51 PM #4220    

 

Jim Priskos

Now, now children, I seriously doubt anyone is going to change someones political views by posting or reading posts on this site. This site should be for our information about each others and our lives. Let's keep it that way and if you choose to express your feelings, GO VOTE.


10/09/20 01:08 PM #4221    

 

Dale Charlie Salazar

Well said Jim.


10/09/20 04:23 PM #4222    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

If "lying B" is not political l will eat Richard's shorts. And when I get to a better computer I'll refute those COVID numbers if you want.

10/09/20 04:38 PM #4223    

 

Richard Smith

Send me your address and I'll include the ones with brown stains too!
 


10/09/20 05:00 PM #4224    

 

Dale Charlie Salazar

Enough.  Both of you stop it.

A little levity: A friend sent this on facebook.  If only our politicians were this cute. Nigerian Dwarf Goats.


10/09/20 06:00 PM #4225    

 

Richard Smith

Is that a partial quote from Hillary?

 


10/09/20 06:25 PM #4226    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

Just for you Dale!


10/09/20 06:29 PM #4227    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/

https://sciencefeedback.co/claimreview/false-claim-shared-by-president-trump-that-only-6-of-cdc-reported-deaths-are-from-covid-19-is-based-on-flawed-reasoning/

 


10/09/20 06:32 PM #4228    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

Another cute one.

 


10/09/20 06:34 PM #4229    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)


10/09/20 08:36 PM #4230    

 

Gerd Eysser

 Looks like Richard’s number came from the CDC.    Nothing wrong with that.  COVID was documented as the SOLE cause in 6% of the deaths   If you’re interested in an 8 page pdf put out by the CDC guiding the clinical documentation for COVID   Be my guest   It’s interesting for healthcare informatics geeks who work/worked in the clinical documentation industry    To summarize, the CDC uses the terms probable, suspected and possible throughout that document   That’s probably why they had to revise the numbers to ‘sole’

http://firststateupdate.com/2020/08/cdc-6-of-us-covid-19-deaths-list-covid-19-as-only-cause-of-death/ 

 


10/09/20 09:26 PM #4231    

 

Dale Charlie Salazar

Thank you for your wisdom and leadership Gerd.

10/09/20 11:02 PM #4232    

 

Richard Smith

Don't you love it when a plan comes together and the future will be bright.


10/10/20 09:41 AM #4233    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)


10/10/20 11:02 AM #4234    

 

Ken Hollen

 

It looks like Richard's numbers come from the QAnon CDC.  Here is a link to the U.S. CDC  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

 

 


10/11/20 10:16 AM #4235    

 

Gerd Eysser

From Reuters:  Sept 3, 2020    (National Center for Health Statistics of the CDC)

The NCHS statement broke down the death certificates mentioning COVID-19. For 94% of people who had COVID-19 also had other conditions listed.  COVID-19 alone was cause of death for 6%.          

This is a classic: and it’s not QAnon   

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/


10/11/20 12:01 PM #4236    

 

Ken Hollen

 

Gerd,  this is why it is best not to discuss political topics here and leave the real information to the big boys.  The CDC does elaborate about the numbers they post.  It is much more than the simplistic view you offer in support of QAnon theories.  Here is an except of what the big boys do say about coding:  

Cause-of-death classification and definition of deaths

Mortality statistics are compiled in accordance with World Health Organization (WHO) regulations specifying that WHO member nations classify and code causes of death with the current revision of the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems(ICD). ICD provides the basic guidance used in virtually all countries to code and classify causes of death. It provides not only disease, injury, and poisoning categories but also the rules used to select the single underlying cause of death for tabulation from the several diagnoses that may be reported on a single death certificate, as well as definitions, tabulation lists, the format of the death certificate, and regulations on use of the classification. Causes of death for data presented in this report were coded according to ICD guidelines described in annual issues of Part 2a of the NCHS Instruction Manual (4).

Coronavirus disease deaths are identified using the ICD–10 code U07.1. Deaths are coded to U07.1 when coronavirus disease 2019 or COVID-19 are reported as a cause that contributed to death on the death certificate. These can include laboratory confirmed cases, as well as cases without laboratory confirmation. If the certifier suspects COVID-19 or determines it was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), they can report COVID-19 as “probable” or “presumed” on the death certificate (56). COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause on the death certificate in 92% of deaths (see Table 1).

Pneumonia deaths are identified using multiple cause-of-death codes from the 10th Revision of ICD (ICD–10): J12–J18, excluding deaths that involve influenza (J09–J11). Influenza deaths are identified from the ICD–10 codes J09–J11, and include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 listed as a contributing cause of death.

 


10/11/20 12:11 PM #4237    

 

Gerd Eysser

So you’re saying COVID is political?    If true which side benefits?  So you’re saying what the NCHS reported isn’t big boy?   I like to think of it as medical evidence coming from the big boys.  


10/11/20 01:42 PM #4238    

 

Jeff Chivers

Whether the COVID numbers are political or not, this discussion has become political and I thought we had an understanding that this site was not to be used for that purpose.

I suggest we drop this discussion here and move on to something else that is unifying, not divisive.  Any good suggestions??


10/11/20 01:50 PM #4239    

 

Dale Charlie Salazar

Always did like you Chivers.


10/11/20 04:30 PM #4240    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

Thank you, Jeff. That's what I was trying to say in the first place with Richard's "lying B" post. 


10/11/20 06:32 PM #4241    

 

Charlotte Warr (Andersen)

Why do women live longer than men?


10/12/20 10:20 AM #4242    

 

Richard H Blair

ran into Ed Tilt Saturday good to see we still have some survivor's


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